Smoking Pot With Lyme Disease – A Potentially Deadly Combination


Earlier today I saw a chat started in an online Lyme discussion group on whether other’s with Lyme disease felt better or worse when they smoked pot – aka, Cannabis, marijuana, Mary Jane. Some were saying they felt worse from it, and others said it helped. While reading their comments, I remembered an article I had seen on Sciencedaily.com about a year ago discussing how Cannibus suppresses certain critical parts of the immune system, “How Cannabis Suppresses Immune Functions: Cannabis Compounds Found To Trigger Unique Immune Cells Which Promote Cancer Growth”.

**For further research, and a differing point of view (why Cannabis may be beneficial to one’s health), please check out the ‘comments’ in the comments section below as there is some great information.**

If this is the case, it would make sense that some people would “feel better” smoking pot if they have Lyme disease. The Cannabis would be suppressing an immune system on high alert – one that is mounting a persistent attack on organisms in the body, and has potentially started treating even “benign” things as a threat, even attacking one’s own tissues, leading to autoimmunity.

But at what cost?

I once had a discussion with a doctor friend who had treated close to 40,000 people over his career, and he would joke about how he wanted to write an article entitled “The benefits of poisoning”. He said that when you poison the body’s cells with toxic substances, such as when people are poisoned by micromercurialism via their mercury amalgam tooth fillings (“silver” fillings), or they are exposed to low levels of arsenic, their immune system is often rendered unable to mount a response to foreign threats as they are immuno-suppressed from the poisoning. Because of this, one may “feel better”, e.g., have less food allergies, but they may actually be in a worse state because their body is no longer able to fight off those things it should. And being immuno-suppressed means you are open to a host of other illnesses. This is why those with Lyme disease are cautioned to NEVER take steroids as it only suppresses the symptoms and makes it more difficult for your body to fight infections off.

These are my thoughts of the day.

For further reading on the toxins found even in medical marijuana go here

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28 comments for “Smoking Pot With Lyme Disease – A Potentially Deadly Combination

  1. Juergen M
    February 9, 2012 at 10:39 am

    Well, I know that I have Lyme since more than 4 years and I must admit just after the infestation of it I could not tolerate to smoke any Cannabis at all, but I could ingest it without any problems.

    This is because if you smoke it, it goes more or less directly into your brain and cause there a lot of trouble by the die off of bacteria. This is good on one side but on the other side this Herxheimer reaction is to harsh for many people.

    So far so good, I use it since the beginning of Lyme against the neuropathic pain and it works fantastically, no prescription medication could save me from this pain but Cannabis does. Don’t forget the depresion induced by Lyme, I simply have none. As well, all the other devastating symptoms are gone by the time.

    So why should the combination be deadly?

    Another point why some people may react extreme is the strain of Cannabis they use, the usual homegrown ones are THC rich and CBD low.

    For Lymies are the natural medical strains preferably with an equal ratio of these two cannabinoides, so called landraces, they produce no such thing as anxiety or heart palpitations, they just calm you down and give you a deep relaxing sleep which is the best for your immune system!

    I use landraces from the Himalayan region and I honestly must admit that they have saved my life so far, and I could walk again without a cane, my life has regained dignity.

    • Danielle
      February 9, 2012 at 10:46 am

      Hey Juergen!
      Interesting. Thanks for sharing. If Cannabis does indeed suppress the immune system, as posited by the studies, then one may “feel better” using it, but may in fact be worse off. That was the point I was making. Are you saying that Cannabis acts as an antibiotic when you say that it causes a die off of bacteria when smoked?
      Danielle

      • Juergen M
        February 9, 2012 at 11:10 am

        Hi Danielle, yes of course some cannabinoides have germ killing properties, they even kill the MRSA strains, so it is at least probable that they kill the borrelias too. So far for me it works, cause the intervals between the antibiotic circles are quite long, I stay well in remission over a long time period.

        Regarding the suppression of the immune system, the cannabinoides does no harm to it at all, instead it harmonizes the natural immune reaction towards a normal reaction. This happens only if the plant has been grown naturally and absolutely organically without any synthetical fertilizer, herbicide or fungicide outdoors in the sun.

        So to say: Don’t panic – it’s organic.
        Juergen

    • Brooke
      August 10, 2013 at 7:02 am

      Hi Juergen,
      Have you considered treating your lyme with Rick Simpson’s cannabis/hemp oil? He has treated and saved thousands with his oil (not to be confused with hemp oils sold in stores and made without the THC and CBD). Here is a link to find out more.
      http://phoenixtears.ca Rife machines are also fabulous, so I wonder what would happen if you combined them.
      All the best to you.
      Brooke

  2. Devi
    February 9, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    Please don’t believe everything you read lol. Case in point, I have 3 friends cured of cancer and 3 friends children cured from Seizure disorders because of cannabis, nothing else. You get limited medicinal benefit from smoking it and if you are not vaporizing it and just smoking out of a glass piece then you are getting the toxins from burning it. The article you sited for their study have been known by many in the medical and cannabis community as being bought off by Big Pharma. I know this to be true after working for Big Pharma and the FDA as an RN for many years and being an advocate for medical cannabis

    Cannabis contains cannabinoids which are NOT harmful. In fact our brain and body naturally make cannabinoids, but over time as we age and the more toxic we are from Chronic Illness such as Lyme like we all have then ability for our body to make them decreases. Medical Marijuana must be used in specific ways ritualistically in order for you to see the health benefits. Conversely it can be dangerous for some Lymies. Not because it causes toxins itself, but in how they use it and also if they have methylation issues(genetic detox issues which most Lymies have but most Docs are morons and do not recognize this or test for it, therefore you suffer thinking you are dying). I could not take cannabis for 2 years until my methylation protocol started ot work and now I can take my medicine with no issues. Again, the toxic effect is NOT the cannabis at all. It does NOT suppress the immune system. It tames the TH1 or TH2 immune dominance, but doesnt suppress.

    You might be interested in reading the new book coming out by one of my mentors in medical cannabis use in cancer, autism and other chronic illnesses. Nothing has worked for my pain except cannabis. It saved my life. Please do diligent research before posting something like this on the internet. People if informed on the proper use can benefit, live and thrive. With misinformation out there like this it’s not cool. Below is a link to Dr. Sircus website. Mark A. Sircus, Ac., OMD, is director of the International Medical Veritas Association (IMVA) http://www.imva.info/.

    He also is the author of this article on Natural News dot com.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/034425_marijuana_cannabinoids_medicine.html

    And here is the book he wrote
    http://blog.imva.info/medicine/autism-spectrum-disorders

    Here is another article by a well respected medical cannabis research MD on juicing the fresh leaves.

    http://www.medicann.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Summer2010.pdf

    And finally here is the medical abstract of what cannabis contains. It is an antibacterial, antifungal, anti-inflammatory, anti-carcinogenic and much much more

    Marijuana (Cannabis sativa) has long been known to contain antibacterial cannabinoids, whose potential to address antibiotic resistance has not yet been investigated. All five major cannabinoids (cannabidiol (1b), cannabichromene (2), cannabigerol (3b), Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (4b), and cannabinol (5)) showed potent activity against a variety of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) strains of current clinical relevance. Activity was remarkably tolerant to the nature of the prenyl moiety, to its relative position compared to the n-pentyl moiety (abnormal cannabinoids), and to carboxylation of the resorcinyl moiety (pre-cannabinoids). Conversely, methylation and acetylation of the phenolic hydroxyls, esterification of the carboxylic group of pre-cannabinoids, and introduction of a second prenyl moiety were all detrimental for antibacterial activity. Taken together, these observations suggest that the prenyl moiety of cannabinoids serves mainly as a modulator of lipid affinity for the olivetol core, a per se poorly active antibacterial pharmacophore, while their high potency definitely suggests a specific, but yet elusive, mechanism of activity.

    • Brooke
      August 10, 2013 at 7:07 am

      I LOVE your response and only wish that more people from the medical communities were as informed as you. Thanks for all of the info.

  3. Devi
    February 9, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    Also anything that isnt grown organically or handled by a reputable Dispensary can have mold or pesticides. The exact reason to know your grower or cannabis club.

    • Juergen M
      February 10, 2012 at 5:52 am

      I absolutely agree with you Devi, the fresh plant material has to be tried and maturated in an controlled atmosphere, the process is called fermentation.

      The medicine has to be free of such things as mold, synth. pesticides, fertilizers or herbicides. Only then it works without negative side effects.

      • Juergen M
        February 10, 2012 at 12:08 pm

        I have to add a link:

        http://www.canadiancoop.com/index.php/medical/medical-conditions

        Look up there for further informations, please.

        • Danielle
          February 12, 2012 at 8:46 pm

          Hi guys, The sciencedaily article and discussion about Cannabis and Lyme inspired my article, which is just a discussion of “if” it suppresses the immune system then it would be harmful for those with Lyme. I am glad it subsequently inspired further debate, and I appreciate your knowledge and correction of points that you feel are biased and/or not true. I added this to the article above. **For further research, and a differing point of view (why Cannabis may be beneficial to one’s health), please check out the ‘comments’ in the comments section below as there is some great information.**

          Thx for sharing on here and for the great dialogue.

          Danielle

  4. Devi
    February 10, 2012 at 1:42 pm

    Im sorry but why hasnt my other comment been approved? With the links to disprove your theory? Again here it is….many people are not watching this blog who support medicinal marijuana and they want to know why. Here it is again just in case there was a glitch, but I dont thin so as my second comment above was posted and the other says awaiting approval from moderator. Thanks

    Please don’t believe everything you read lol. Case in point, I have 3 friends cured of cancer and 3 friends children cured from Seizure disorders because of cannabis, nothing else. You get limited medicinal benefit from smoking it and if you are not vaporizing it and just smoking out of a glass piece then you are getting the toxins from burning it. The article you sited for their study have been known by many in the medical and cannabis community as being bought off by Big Pharma. I know this to be true after working for Big Pharma and the FDA as an RN for many years and being an advocate for medical cannabis

    Cannabis contains cannabinoids which are NOT harmful. In fact our brain and body naturally make cannabinoids, but over time as we age and the more toxic we are from Chronic Illness such as Lyme like we all have then ability for our body to make them decreases. Medical Marijuana must be used in specific ways ritualistically in order for you to see the health benefits. Conversely it can be dangerous for some Lymies. Not because it causes toxins itself, but in how they use it and also if they have methylation issues(genetic detox issues which most Lymies have but most Docs are morons and do not recognize this or test for it, therefore you suffer thinking you are dying). I could not take cannabis for 2 years until my methylation protocol started ot work and now I can take my medicine with no issues. Again, the toxic effect is NOT the cannabis at all. It does NOT suppress the immune system. It tames the TH1 or TH2 immune dominance, but doesnt suppress.

    You might be interested in reading the new book coming out by one of my mentors in medical cannabis use in cancer, autism and other chronic illnesses. Nothing has worked for my pain except cannabis. It saved my life. Please do diligent research before posting something like this on the internet. People if informed on the proper use can benefit, live and thrive. With misinformation out there like this it’s not cool. Below is a link to Dr. Sircus website. Mark A. Sircus, Ac., OMD, is director of the International Medical Veritas Association (IMVA) http://www.imva.info/.

    He also is the author of this article on Natural News dot com.
    http://www.naturalnews.com/034425_marijuana_cannabinoids_medicine.html

    And here is the book he wrote
    http://blog.imva.info/medicine/autism-spectrum-disorders

    Here is another article by a well respected medical cannabis research MD on juicing the fresh leaves.

    http://www.medicann.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/Summer2010.pdf

    And finally here is the medical abstract of what cannabis contains. It is an antibacterial, antifungal, anti-inflammatory, anti-carcinogenic and much much more

    Marijuana (Cannabis sativa) has long been known to contain antibacterial cannabinoids, whose potential to address antibiotic resistance has not yet been investigated. All five major cannabinoids (cannabidiol (1b), cannabichromene (2), cannabigerol (3b), Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (4b), and cannabinol (5)) showed potent activity against a variety of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA) strains of current clinical relevance. Activity was remarkably tolerant to the nature of the prenyl moiety, to its relative position compared to the n-pentyl moiety (abnormal cannabinoids), and to carboxylation of the resorcinyl moiety (pre-cannabinoids). Conversely, methylation and acetylation of the phenolic hydroxyls, esterification of the carboxylic group of pre-cannabinoids, and introduction of a second prenyl moiety were all detrimental for antibacterial activity. Taken together, these observations suggest that the prenyl moiety of cannabinoids serves mainly as a modulator of lipid affinity for the olivetol core, a per se poorly active antibacterial pharmacophore, while their high potency definitely suggests a specific, but yet elusive, mechanism of activity.

    • Danielle
      February 10, 2012 at 1:46 pm

      I apologize, my blog has a spam filter on and it held this for approval. I don’t have time to respond now, but I appreciate your comments and insights and think it is a great discussion. I only put forth a theory, and if my posited conclusion is based on a false premise, then I would happily concede your points. I don’t believe everything I read ;) But I will have to read what you have all written more carefully when I can in the next day or so. Thanks!

  5. Devi
    February 10, 2012 at 1:59 pm

    Thank you :)

  6. Dorothy
    July 18, 2012 at 10:13 pm

    For those using medical cannabis, please check out ground breaking work being done by a Dr. Courtney using juice from green, raw leaves of cannabis. Non-psychoactive (doesn’t make you stoned). Very powerful.

    http://youtu.be/qa0nLdVJiIg

  7. matt
    May 3, 2013 at 4:33 am

    Devi, what methylation protocol did you follow in order to get your own body’s detoxing system functioning properly again? Please email me the protocol….
    mattfennell@gmail.com

    Thanks!!!

  8. D
    July 5, 2013 at 4:10 am

    Hi,

    I have Chronic Lyme and just want to say that I can confirm that cannabis causes a herx when used with antibiotics. I did not realize this at first and thought that it was an adverse reaction when smoking with the antibiotics when increasing the doses, but after seeing many studies on its antibiotic and antimicrobial properties, I realized what was happening. If I’m herxing on the antibiotics, and I happen to smoke, it increases the die off. I counter this with a lot of detoxing. I now smoke with the antibiotics unless I’m herxing too hard from the antibiotics alone. Sometimes I push my limits intentionally to kill the bacteria as much as possible, but I try to be careful as I read it can be a bit dangerous to do that. When I’m not herxing it helps me in many ways. Without it I kept dropping in weight, got to 84lbs and when I started smoking again I went up to 89lbs in less than a week. It helped me gain and keep the weight as well. It also helps me to walk too. Without it I can be completely crippled and unable to walk. I also am able to sleep much better, am less anxious, deal with the depression and isolation better, as well as wake up in pain less frequently. It’s been truly a life saver for me. Just thought I should share my story and experience with it..

    700 Cannabis Studies PDF:
    http://marijuanacourses.com/700-cannabis-studies-2012.pdf

  9. July 7, 2013 at 12:30 am

    Ahh. But then there is the invention of vaporizers to come to the rescue and eliminate toxins. Not to mention cannabis oil which you can encapsulate.

  10. July 7, 2013 at 12:33 am

    Oh and PS: I have late stage neuro Lyme. I was put on every RX docs could try to stop my seizures, as I was having 10 (+) grand mal seizures a day. So I tried legal herbs to no avail. Weed, apparently, contains an anti-convulsant far more potent than any other known to existance. I don’t have seizures anymore. And grand mal seizures were seriously injuring my brain and kept me entirely debilitated. Even if weed can hurt me, I can’t help but acknowledge that so can seizures and all the prescription pills that accompany them. So, having the option between living my days out in bed drugged out on prescriptions or barely smoking and being able to get up and experience life, then PERSONALLY I choose to live my days with a higher quality of life. Because guess what? Lyme disease is even more fatal than weed.

    • joy
      September 12, 2013 at 2:50 am

      Very much appreciating this discussion. Shell, I’d be grateful if you could let me know which strain and form of cannabis has helped your late stage neuro lyme seizures.

      thank you ~

  11. pat
    October 31, 2013 at 2:14 pm

    yeah tell me more about how seizures = lyme disease… here take this cancer medication for your fatty liver.. no.. completely different things

  12. January 3, 2014 at 11:32 am

    Smoking Cannabis is futile. Eating Cannabis Paste is the greats cure of all time.
    Read more at CannabisPaste.com

    Brad

  13. Tereza
    January 21, 2014 at 12:16 am

    I had the lyme disease bullseye bite/rash 5 years ago (there about) i initially asked a staff member at a chemist only to be told he’s never seen it and was an ‘allergic reaction’ to a mozzy bite. Since then I have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, however i have symptoms that dont coincide with it. recently looking at google images for unrelated issues I saw my bite, instantly I began looking into it. my symptoms more coincide with Lyme. Over the past years doctors haven’t been able to confidently diagnose what is going on with me, every diagnosis doesn’t not seem to convince me. When gone to the doctors about my findings I’ve been laughed at, when gone to the hospital because I’m fed up of feeling like this, I was spoken to in a condescending tone and told ‘Lyme disease doesn’t exist in australia’ further research shows it does. At first i began thinking of why my symptoms havent been as bad as others honestly, I’m 40 years old and enjoy to smoke a bit of pot, as it is the only vice that actually helps me. Due to misdiagnosis I’ve had steroids which made me incredibly sick and numerous other medications that have had no effective. I need help with knowing who do I get to listen, or home remedies anything anyone could help with.
    thanks sincerely.

    • LizLymon
      March 1, 2014 at 6:52 pm

      Tereza, I’m happy to share my full lyme protocol with you. It is a little long for the comments section. Email me at bellarifatta at gmail com

      With respect to your lyme diagnosis, the bullseye rash IS the diagnostic criteria for the disease in its early stages. I’m so sorry you were mistreated by the doctors. There are many things you can do from Buhner herbs to rife to ozone.

  14. greenbennet@gmail.com
    February 13, 2014 at 10:12 am

    It causes cancer? Why are all the people i know that don’t smoke so cancer ridden and diseased? I must be nuts because of the pot.

  15. Tyler
    March 31, 2014 at 3:27 am

    This article is some ignorant nonsense. Marijuana doesn’t suppress the immune system and helps treat not cause cancer.

  16. Rogue
    June 22, 2014 at 8:29 pm

    Cannabis actually increases immune markers all across the board, and does not suppress the immune system. Get your facts straight. There are hundreds of folks you can talk with on facebook that have successfully put their lyme disease in remission using cannabis. While those in lyme forums who are sticking with traditional treatment are suffering, sick, miserable and not getting much better. Yes, you will herx from it, so you have to use caution, and I would not recommend smoking it, so you can benefit from all the compounds in the plant, and using CBD oil is often the most effective method.

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